the clinton convention was an extraordinarily big moment. and so i think you could decouple those things and get that kind of tactical nominating thing back to the end of the primaries so it lets that process start. i kind of like the timing in terms of the kind of the big moment for -- >> [inaudible] >> yeah, you know, when you talk about what's the rhythm of a presidential campaign, you've got the vice presidential nomination, you've got the conventions, and you've got the debates. and i think to kind of have that big moment in the fall when people pay attention makes a lot her sense than to do it in june when people just aren't ready for -- >> [inaudible] beth? >> i think there's an awkward part of the campaign between the primary ending and the convention, and i think, i think it's almost -- unless the federal funding thing changes, it's inevitable that they'll go early because, and i think that's a good thing. >> you want to shrink that process. >> i want to shrink the awkward period between the primary ending and the nomination startin